omg so I just saw this video and I was soooooo upset by it. first for the way they were being so hard on them. first off like they said hip-hop is a bigger thing than just rap someone like Chris Brown is under the genre of hip-hop and R&B even though he doesn't always rap. because it's just grown that much over the years secondly saying they don't fit the image of hip-hop because they aren't manly enough?!?!?!?!!? hip-hop started as a way to express the struggle they were going through. their appearance was because of their circumstances. they had to be hard because of their environment. but the way hip-hop started was about talking about life and the struggle. they have struggled and they have studied the music and they have talent in the genre. I think it is good they are broadening the horizons of hip-hop in a positive way. all this "bitch, hoe, shake your ass" and Soulja Boi is hip-hop now too, and I don't see them saying negative things about that. Saying they sold out and gave into temptation?!? why would you say that if they are in a GROUP of people from different styles and backgrounds and they have fused these styles together and incorporated hip-hop into their music. they have their own style, they have fans, and they are working hard to show their styles and backgrounds and to make the world hear their music (which their contribution to BTS is hip-hop!), so why are you bashing them for that? they were making fun of them from the beginning even criticizing their name. I think it was very close-minded of them, and I think Suga and Rap Monster handled it very well. I think they had nothing but respect for the other rappers going in and for them to just completely shit on the ROOKIES (WHO RESPECT YOU) who are trying to make a name for themselves and come up in their own respects ... in my opinion. . if I didn't come for you, why are you sending for me..? idk I get there are supposed to be feuds in the hip hop scene, but in this type of setting, and to rookies, I just thought it was uncalled for
http://seoulbeats.com/2012/08/k-pops-disconnect-with-authentic-hip-hop-culture/ There was a wonderfully written article on Seoulbeats.com about hip-hop in kpop that shows how I think hip-hop and black culture is thought of in Korea. I copied some parts of it: "However, just because Big Bang really likes and is influenced by hip-hop doesn’t mean that they knew exactly what those red outfits symbolized. Otherwise, they probably wouldn’t have been performing with heaps of mascara on and smiling faces while taking on the role of violent gangsters who, in real life, sell drugs, kill people, and ruin communities. The problem seems to be that K-pop groups are quite familiar with the surface of rap and hip-hop culture, but don’t understand the implications of certain images. Rather, they consume the culture without comprehending it, then regurgitate the incomplete leftovers. What this essentially does is produce a caricature of hip-hop that’s reflected by cornrows, bandanas, and lyrics delivered in aggressive tones. But where is the context? As one blogger from the New Organizing Project explained when expressing her feelings about K-pop’s use of hip-hop elements, There [doesn’t] seem to be any acknowledgment of the originators and pioneers of hip-hop nor an understanding of the ways in which hip-hop grew out of a state of oppression and its use in engaging multiple social movements. The context of hip-hop is lost in mainstream K-pop in favor of the “cool-factor.” Hip-hop signifies “cool” and more importantly, “black” or “black-ness” signifies cool. Without getting too in-depth about the historical relationship between blackness and cool, it’s fueled by African Americans’ pioneering of jazz, rock and roll, rhythm and blues, and of course, hip-hop–all of which acted as rebellious antitheses to standard American music of the era." While I feel like this doesn't apply to BTS (and others like G-Dragon and Winner's Mino and CL of 2ne1 and many others) because they have actually studied hip-hop and they are actual rappers trying to make a name for themselves in the hip-hop world while maintaining their group and fan base, there are some groups I've seen that I felt didn't need a rapper. their image was too clean and flowery to have a "rapper" in their group, and those "rappers" often seem awkward trying to rap to such a bubbly and cute song.
the author of the article goes on to say: "One of the biggest misconceptions the mainstream idol industry has about rap is that it’s easy. Just throw in a laughably ill thought-out rap right before the bridge of a song and that should do it. In fact, the K-pop idol rapper is often times the group member who has limited vocal talent. The rap is regarded as the afterthought. Take, for instance, this U-Kiss interview, where the members were asked what their roles were in the group: Dongho: Uhh, I’m the cute one. Soohyun: …And? Dongho: Yes, that’s all. Soohyun: And rap? Dongho: Oh yeah. And rap. Other than the fact I find this conversation utterly hilarious, I still find it quite telling that the K-pop industry’s understanding of rap is limited, and even pejorative. It’s almost as if the rapper of the group is considered the most useless one, right below the visual. The notion that rap is actually supposed to mean something and that raps actually have to be finessed and fleshed out, is non-existent in mainstream K-pop."
And again this is something I don't think applies to BTS, but here is an example of a song I felt would have been better without the awkward rap thrown in because it's what seems to be needed in every K-pop song now because it is the popular thing to do. Now while I think the boys in All Star are completely adorable and their song is cute and catchy (and the rap in the end was pretty decent) and the rapper is gorgeous, I felt the song ,especially in the beginning, was made awkward by the rapping. and the rap in the end didn't fit the concept of the song. there are others but this is just the most recent one I've seen.
"I say all that, however, to emphasize that I love the blending of cultures and the merging of genres. [...] So I’ll end by simply saying that hip-hop shouldn’t be blatantly used as a marketing tool to make groups seem cool and edgy, nor should it act as an excuse for K-pop artists to caricature both black culture and hip-hop culture." I completely agree that I love the blending of cultures and the merging of genres as long as it's done in a respectful way ( this goes for everyone not just kpop) and I don't think the people, like BTS, who are doing this in a respectful and knowledgeable way should be criticized for their accomplishments. I understand that apologies were made, but there were things brought up in that interview that I felt I needed to say something about.
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