haha, thanks @IanRichardson. if you want something easy and forgiving wheel to learn on check out abec 11 freerides in 78a or 81a, the other duros aren't that good. they leave nice thane, slide predictably and consistently, dont have an abrupt hookup and have a pretty easy kick out. otangs chatter a ton. 80a fat frees where my first freeride wheels and I put them to the side for the longest time after riding some other wheels, but I'm trying to core them atm.